{"id":3324,"date":"2019-12-03T13:22:47","date_gmt":"2019-12-03T13:22:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/16.147.243.36\/?p=3324"},"modified":"2026-08-06T17:31:50","modified_gmt":"2026-08-06T17:31:50","slug":"interview-with-catherine-burdick-author-of-paradise-and-perdition-jesuit-visions-of-santiago-chile-before-and-after-the-earthquake-of-1647","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hahr-online.com\/es\/interview-with-catherine-burdick-author-of-paradise-and-perdition-jesuit-visions-of-santiago-chile-before-and-after-the-earthquake-of-1647\/","title":{"rendered":""},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/16.147.243.36\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/IMG_9737-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"Catherine Burdick stands wearing a striped button-down shirt with a red watch.\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Catherine Burdick is an assistant professor of art history at the Centro de Investigaci\u00f3n en Artes y Humanidades, Facultad de Artes, Universidad Mayor, Chile, specializing in colonial Latin American art. Her current research on paintings and cartography of colonial Chile integrates visual studies, political and religious histories, and sensorial studies in order to demonstrate the critical role of artistic expression in colonial Andean culture.&nbsp;You can read her article \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/read.dukeupress.edu\/hahr\/article-abstract\/99\/4\/589\/140612\/Paradise-and-Perdition-Jesuit-Visions-of-Santiago\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Paradise and Perdition: Jesuit Visions of Santiago, Chile, before and after the Earthquake of 1647<\/a>\u201d in<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/read.dukeupress.edu\/hahr\/issue\/99\/4\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">HAHR<em> 99.4<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<div>\n<p><strong><span lang=\"en-US\">1. How did you come to focus on&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">seventeenth-century Chile<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;as an area of research?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div>\n<p><span lang=\"en-US\">My interest in seventeenth-century Chile grew out of a fascination for the cartography published in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.memoriachilena.gob.cl\/602\/w3-article-644.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Alonso de Ovalle&#8217;s&nbsp;<\/a><\/span><em><span lang=\"en-US\">Hist\u00f3rica<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">relaci\u00f3n<\/span><\/em><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;of 1646.<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;I found that Ovalle&#8217;s maps of Chile and Santiago have not been studied in&nbsp;sufficient&nbsp;depth, and I wanted to carry out a study of these documents through a multidisciplinary approach that included a close reading of his textual sources. I<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;am particularly interested in how these&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">maps<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;supported Ovalle&#8217;s role as an ambassador for his homeland in Europe and am astounded at the energies he invested in carefully describing and promoting Chile abroad.<\/span><\/p><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/16.147.243.36\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/Santiago_Chile_POMA1075v-689x1024.jpg\" alt=\"A folio from a manuscript titled \u201cCiudad de Santiago de Chile: obispado no tiene jurisdicci\u00f3n,\u201d with a rendering of a city.\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">A depiction of early Santiago, from Felipe Guam\u00e1n Poma de Ayala&#8217;s <em>Nueva cor\u00f3nica y buen gobierno<\/em>, 1615. <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Santiago_Chile_POMA1075v.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Public domain<\/a>.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<div>\n<p><strong><span lang=\"en-US\">2.&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">You mention<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">that the earthquake at the center of your article also destroyed many of the archival materials held by early Santiago. What challenges did this pose to your research, if any, and how did you overcome these?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div>\n<p><span lang=\"en-US\">It is true that our knowledge of&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">Santiago for&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">the first half of the seventeenth century is fragmentary due to the loss of many archives in 1647. For this&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">period<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">,<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;it was difficult to attain a clear picture of the city, its population, it<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">s<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;architectural structures,&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">and&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">even its central Plaza de&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">Armas<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">.&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">In an effort to<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;overcome these challenges it was necessary to seek out archival materials in collections outside Chile, and it is no coincidence that the primary materials I worked with for this study were produced abroad. Yet some archival materials, including inventories of<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;<\/span><em><span lang=\"en-US\">bienes<\/span><\/em><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;(belongings), are currently accessible in Santiago, and it was here that I was able to best recover something of the midcentury habits of elite dress.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div>\n<p><strong><span lang=\"en-US\">3.<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;How does a focus on early Santiago affect our broader understanding of urban history, in Latin America and globally?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div>\n<p><span lang=\"en-US\">I find that a&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">focus on early Santiago helps us to better&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">understand<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;the consequences of Spain&#8217;s inability to maintain direct relations with&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">remote regions of its empire.<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;For its geographic isolation Santiago has always been a peripheral Latin American center<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">,<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">and&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">its place&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">i<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">n the colonial era<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">as the most remote American capital in relation to Spain meant that it was difficult to monitor and was not developed economically.<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;Our understanding of colonial urban history for Latin America and the world is broadened by this unusually insular case, as here we can gain a better sense of the impact of slow rates of i<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">mmigration and information exchange&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">on a<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">city. A primary lesson that I draw from my research is that early Santiago was not only passively isolated from but also actively protected against&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">the ongoing&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">barrage of&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">external influences that have shaped most capitals in Latin America and throughout the world.<\/span><\/p><\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/16.147.243.36\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/MC0003378.jpg\" alt=\"A city plan titled \u201cProspectus y planta de la ciudad de Santiago\u201d with drawings of buildings and its city streets. \"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Alonso de Ovalle&#8217;s <em>Prospectiva y planta de la ciudad de Santiago<\/em>, 1646. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.memoriachilena.gob.cl\/602\/w3-article-98974.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Public domain<\/a>.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<div>\n<p><strong><span lang=\"en-US\">4. Key to your article is Alonso de Ovalle\u2019s early depiction of Santiago, the&nbsp;<\/span><em><span lang=\"en-US\">Prospectiva y planta de la ciudad de Santiago<\/span><\/em><span lang=\"en-US\">. What benefits and challenges are posed by using such visual sources in historical scholarship<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div>\n<p><span lang=\"en-US\">As an art historian I find visual resources to be powerful tools for conveying the entire &#8220;sense&#8221; of a place or thing and for expressing cultural ideas that are difficult to articulate in words. For this reason,&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">I find&nbsp;maps to be<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;ideal&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">sources for&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">approach<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">ing<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;the study of&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">urban&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">history<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;and culture<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">. Of course, images also present challenges, not least of which is our expectation that they are natural representations of their subjects. In this line, one obstacle posed by Ovalle&#8217;s map of Santiago is the limitation of his own memory, and while present-day commentators have criticize<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">d<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;the &#8220;imprecision&#8221; of his map<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">s,<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;we should remember that&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">they<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;w<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">ere<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;composed&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">far from the places they show<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div>\n<p><strong><span lang=\"en-US\">5<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">. Read anything good recently?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div>\n<p><span lang=\"en-US\">For anyone interested in the art and culture of colonial Santiago, I highly recommend the recently published book&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">on perfumed ceramics&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">by Isabel Cruz de&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">Amen\u00e1bar<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">, Alexandrine de la&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">Taille-Tr\u00e9tinville,<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;and Alejandra Fuentes Gonz\u00e1lez, titled&nbsp;<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/ediciones.uc.cl\/index.php\/ceramica-perfumada-de-las-monjas-clarisas-desde-chile-hacia-el-mundo-oficio-terapeutica-y-consumo-siglos-xvi-xx.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em><span lang=\"en-US\">Cer\u00e1mica<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;p<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">erfumada<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;de las C<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">larisas<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">:&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">Desde<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;Chile&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">hacia<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;el mundo<\/span><\/em><\/a><span lang=\"en-US\">. Here, the authors present new information from the archives&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">maintained<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">by&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">the Poor&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">Clares<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;to reveal how, since the colonial era, these cloistered nuns&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">have&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">created and disseminated their vibrant aromatic vessels.<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;My favorite findings in this book are the lively colonial-era sketches of perfumed ceramics bursting with flowers and animals, as if each vessel was conceptualized as a<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">&nbsp;miniature landscape.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em>Top image:&nbsp;<\/em>Plan de la ville de Santiago capitale du royaume de Chili<em>, 1716. <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Plan_de_la_ville_de_Santiago_capitale_du_royaume_de_Chili.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Public domain<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Catherine Burdick is an assistant professor of art history at the Centro de Investigaci\u00f3n en Artes y Humanidades, Facultad de Artes, Universidad Mayor, Chile, specializing in colonial Latin American art. Her current research on paintings and cartography of colonial Chile integrates visual studies, political and religious histories, and sensorial studies in order to demonstrate the critical role of artistic expression in colonial Andean culture.&nbsp;You can read her article \u201cParadise and Perdition: Jesuit Visions of Santiago, Chile, before and after &hellip;<\/p>\n<p class=\"read-more\"> <a class=\"more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/hahr-online.com\/es\/interview-with-catherine-burdick-author-of-paradise-and-perdition-jesuit-visions-of-santiago-chile-before-and-after-the-earthquake-of-1647\/\">  Read more \u2192<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":7182,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[447,448],"tags":[605,606,90,607,608,609,610,62],"class_list":["post-3324","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-interviews","category-multimedia","tag-alonso-de-ovalle","tag-art-history","tag-chile","tag-earthquake","tag-natural-disasters","tag-santiago","tag-seventeenth-century","tag-urban-history"],"translation":{"provider":"WPGlobus","version":"3.0.6","language":"es","enabled_languages":["en","es","pt"],"languages":{"en":{"title":false,"content":true,"excerpt":false},"es":{"title":false,"content":false,"excerpt":false},"pt":{"title":false,"content":false,"excerpt":false}}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/hahr-online.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3324","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/hahr-online.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/hahr-online.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/hahr-online.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/hahr-online.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3324"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/hahr-online.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3324\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":9410,"href":"https:\/\/hahr-online.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3324\/revisions\/9410"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/hahr-online.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/7182"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/hahr-online.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3324"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/hahr-online.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3324"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/hahr-online.com\/es\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3324"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}